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Post by The_Pretender on Aug 22, 2021 20:32:50 GMT
As for the third mafia if Cyclone is just a clown (even if there is a world where this is just a hard scum claim, the odds that Cape is just sheeping his partner is a lot lower): The_Pretender: mafiascum-closedgame.freeforums.net/post/5093/thread This scumcase on DK is essentially trying to yoink the read that DK is pocketing Moldy because DK townreads Moldy, and that's all. Also reads w/o evidence is an extremely weak case since they typically either explain at a later stage (or you could just.... ask.) mafiascum-closedgame.freeforums.net/post/4981/thread When addressing Moldy, refused to point to specific things/encourage discussion with them, and instead just put blame on Moldy for not doing all the work to address it. Only when I specifically reached out to Moldy did he do the same: mafiascum-closedgame.freeforums.net/post/4990/thread. They essentially slid through day 1 (at least for me) b/c I assumed their reads were very much the same as mine wrt Moldy. However, their read is super different from mine, and they never actually pointed out the reads they have DK or Hockey at the time and how it relates to Moldy. mafiascum-closedgame.freeforums.net/post/5239/thread Spamming this pasta is just open-wolfing/mocking town for not being able to do anything since people weren't here to vote. Hockey/Pretender both fit the bill here. mafiascum-closedgame.freeforums.net/post/5334/thread "Happy to see that my dkkoba vote stayed after all that." is particularly amusing as it suggests that we're somehow incapable of seeing that they did vote Ez/to absolve themselves of responsibility from the vote. I thought I remembered reading a second quote from them specifically absolving themselves of responsibility for Ez's death but I can't find it now so maybe I'm crazy. Reading later quotes and seeing he's following Cyclone pretty hard makes me disappointed I didn't mention this one first since it's going to be declared as OMGUS now. There's greater scum equity here in a world with Cyclone scum imo since they flipped their read on me pretty much solely because Cyclone put down a fake cop claim. They had me/Cyclone both as town before it and are now suggesting that I'm lockscum, so they're using the Cop claim as the sole basis to be able to reposition themselves. If they know Cyclone's claim is fake, they'd be stuck falling into the abyss if Cyclone retracts right after they start dismissing me as scum. There are still worlds where he is sheeping Cyclone to avoid the appearance of TMI, but I think he's generally more likely to be hesitant if he knows the Cop claim could fall away at any second. Yada Yada Yada If you honestly think cyc is scum, vote auryxx and out them. Y’all are not understanding that this isn’t mylo so auryxx vs. cyclone is solved, which in turn basically solves the game
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Post by xCyclone on Aug 22, 2021 20:33:43 GMT
Also Nate is just saying you have him as hard scum which just isn't even true. I have absolutely no idea what he is doing, lmao. Pretender and Koba are the only two people in this entire game that seem to have doubts and you are shading him for that.... not smooth
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Post by xCyclone on Aug 22, 2021 20:35:15 GMT
As for the third mafia if Cyclone is just a clown (even if there is a world where this is just a hard scum claim, the odds that Cape is just sheeping his partner is a lot lower): The_Pretender: mafiascum-closedgame.freeforums.net/post/5093/thread This scumcase on DK is essentially trying to yoink the read that DK is pocketing Moldy because DK townreads Moldy, and that's all. Also reads w/o evidence is an extremely weak case since they typically either explain at a later stage (or you could just.... ask.) mafiascum-closedgame.freeforums.net/post/4981/thread When addressing Moldy, refused to point to specific things/encourage discussion with them, and instead just put blame on Moldy for not doing all the work to address it. Only when I specifically reached out to Moldy did he do the same: mafiascum-closedgame.freeforums.net/post/4990/thread. They essentially slid through day 1 (at least for me) b/c I assumed their reads were very much the same as mine wrt Moldy. However, their read is super different from mine, and they never actually pointed out the reads they have DK or Hockey at the time and how it relates to Moldy. mafiascum-closedgame.freeforums.net/post/5239/thread Spamming this pasta is just open-wolfing/mocking town for not being able to do anything since people weren't here to vote. Hockey/Pretender both fit the bill here. mafiascum-closedgame.freeforums.net/post/5334/thread "Happy to see that my dkkoba vote stayed after all that." is particularly amusing as it suggests that we're somehow incapable of seeing that they did vote Ez/to absolve themselves of responsibility from the vote. I thought I remembered reading a second quote from them specifically absolving themselves of responsibility for Ez's death but I can't find it now so maybe I'm crazy. Reading later quotes and seeing he's following Cyclone pretty hard makes me disappointed I didn't mention this one first since it's going to be declared as OMGUS now. There's greater scum equity here in a world with Cyclone scum imo since they flipped their read on me pretty much solely because Cyclone put down a fake cop claim. They had me/Cyclone both as town before it and are now suggesting that I'm lockscum, so they're using the Cop claim as the sole basis to be able to reposition themselves. If they know Cyclone's claim is fake, they'd be stuck falling into the abyss if Cyclone retracts right after they start dismissing me as scum. There are still worlds where he is sheeping Cyclone to avoid the appearance of TMI, but I think he's generally more likely to be hesitant if he knows the Cop claim could fall away at any second. Yada Yada Yada If you honestly think cyc is scum, vote auryxx and out them. Y’all are not understanding that this isn’t mylo so auryxx vs. cyclone is solved, which in turn basically solves the game Pretender, I have decided that you are town. I think that this thought process is valid considering you do not have the 100 percent confirmation that I am real. Both of these are 100 percent mafia to me and I have no quarrels killing either. I would rather kill Nate today for the sole purpose of there's a slight chance mafia keeping me alive, but I don't dislike your thought process.
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Post by The_Pretender on Aug 22, 2021 20:36:59 GMT
I can see you pairing me with Koba, but I don't know how you can plausibly just pair me with Nate here. I'm ccing Auryxx and it's a sided check on my own partner. That would mean that I'm preparing to die, which clearly that isn't the way I've approached the day. It is the only other possible outcome, but what do you think is more likely? Scum Auryxx panic claims PR, and then gets a ML while preventing shade from falling on Nate/Hockey, Nate pillowpushes Hockey but fails and ends up voting one of his "never vote today" pool, partnering himself with Hockey in the process In this world, we know Nate is mafia since I have a red on him. This effectively shows that Auryxx/Hockey are both mafia. Town Auryxx claims Neap, votes out an obvitown, then gets CCed by me while I have a red check on my own partner. In this world, if Nate dies first, all that happens is Auryxx gets voted the next day and I likely get thrown out regardless of the red on Nate. I have zero incentive to fake claim considering that I have not been scumread to this point in the game and have a good amount of credibility. I am obviously biased, but I still feel like the choice here is INCREDIBLY obvious. I have Nate sided, and Auryxx is obviously fake. It's that simple. Hockey being the third is my own thoughts but me being blue confirms two free mafia, while if I'm mafia I'm getting me + Nate killed for the price of one Neap cop. That just doesn't seem worth it in the slightest. again, I really don’t care that much about which one of you lives past today, 1 of you has to die to solve the other, in turn solving the game. My extent of Nate pairing with you is the fact that they pocketed you in EoD and this possible scum theater going on. I will know this the truth when I see Auryxx flip town (which I still doubt) Other than that Nate is solo mafia for reasons already stated by me or others
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Post by xCyclone on Aug 22, 2021 20:40:09 GMT
Can you restate how Nate isn't paired with Auryxx/Hockey? What makes him independently scummy, please state your own scumcase.
I'm saying this so after I die you don't randomly go astray and lose sight of what I'm pushing here.
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Post by The_Pretender on Aug 22, 2021 20:44:22 GMT
Can you restate how Nate isn't paired with Auryxx/Hockey? What makes him independently scummy, please state your own scumcase. I'm saying this so after I die you don't randomly go astray and lose sight of what I'm pushing here. I didn’t say that In fact, i said that if Auryxx is maf, Nate is maf and the final is Koba or hockey I’m on phone and don’t have the energy to make a full scumcase here but I pair hockey due to interaction with Nate and hockey’s EoD I pair Koba cus Auryxx pivoted the vote from Koba to Ez. They would have no reason to pivot from town to town unless they knew Ez was PR, which they couldn’t have known.
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Post by meteornate on Aug 22, 2021 20:49:15 GMT
Pretty much all of the heat on me at this point is for making (the correct) pinch decision when people don't bother to show up.
It should go without saying, but if Cyclone never retracts and I do get voted, vote him tomorrow. At the end of the day, if Cyclone's genius town play is to just pray that the read works and provide cover to a flimsy case, you have to punish him for it. If, by the end of this day, he cannot find it within himself enough doubt that he retracts the claim, you need to vote him tomorrow.
In the alternative, Cape's push has been incredibly wolfy. It's built on blaming me for voting Ez, which is mechanically correct regardless of Ez's alignment, while participating in putting me in the situation where I don't get to choose to do anything different. He can't reconcile these two facts or realize the role he played in it, and is instead trying to use town anger on the fact that Ez flipped gunsmith as an excuse to get an easy MC on me.
Auryxx is scum for the same aforementioned reasons on day 1. The fact that I am solely catching heat for Ez getting voted, but the guy who literally forced the vote through is not, is insane. The only reason he dodged a day 1 vote is that he breadcrumbed and claimed a very powerful role. Now, we have a dead gunsmith instead.
Pretender's day 1 was bad but I needed more time on day 1 to re-eval it. Their push on Moldy was particularly bad and dismissive, their push on DK was similarly flimsy, and they largely pocketed my read on Moldy while not actually understanding why I scumread them. Further, today, they are trying to distance themselves from the Ez vote despite voting on it (post-hammer), and are hard-pocketing Cyclone off this fake-claim even though they hadn't mentioned me whatsoever prior to this point.
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Post by meteornate on Aug 22, 2021 20:51:04 GMT
Nate seemed so in control of the game until EoD, I bet Auryxx says they are scum too, although I can’t confirm that. They pocketed you and were so unsure of their play in the moment that wether their partner is you or Auryxx, they could be maf all on their own. I also implore you to read Nate's posts coming into today. He shaded actions that were based off of Auryxx but did not call him scum once, and when confronted, claimed that "I'm reading 10 pages dude!!!!" when it takes about 3 seconds to pair Auryxx with the terrible Ez vote. Congrats! I do one thing at a time. I was addressing you fakeclaiming with me sided first.
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Post by The_Pretender on Aug 22, 2021 20:51:42 GMT
I’m just saying that just because some one parked a vote on them, scum!Auryxx doesn’t force a pivot on to them, effectively outting themselves. It’s just not a good enough reason for an experienced player.
OMGUSING to no prevail is not a scum!Auryxx move
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Post by xCyclone on Aug 22, 2021 20:57:59 GMT
I’m just saying that just because some one parked a vote on them, scum!Auryxx doesn’t force a pivot on to them, effectively outting themselves. It’s just not a good enough reason for an experienced player. OMGUSING to no prevail is not a scum!Auryxx move I think you are over-estimating Auryxx's scumplay, lol. The thing is that doesn't really matter because the world that you are currently living in is that the scumteam is either Cyclone/Nate/Koba or Auryxx/Nate/{Koba, Hockey} which is still an incredibly easy world to decipher. It's also almost dead accurate and same to mine, the only difference is that you have Koba added. The thing is that it doesn't matter, what people still fail to realize is that the best way to find mafia isn't individually. Their partnerships + way they revolve around other players is the best way to find mafia. You find mafia in packs. That's what happened yesterday. Auryxx/Nate paired themselves with Hockey, which is by correlation the third mafia. I have provided lengthy scumcases on the other two. The first world also adds me bussing one of my partners with a fake red check and then hard pocketing the other. I don't see a reason I would ever do that.
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Post by cowsloveSushirolls on Aug 22, 2021 21:02:34 GMT
I’m just saying that just because some one parked a vote on them, scum!Auryxx doesn’t force a pivot on to them, effectively outting themselves. It’s just not a good enough reason for an experienced player. OMGUSING to no prevail is not a scum!Auryxx move what auryxx did at EOD was entirely improvised, and he could easily use this as a shield against any criticism. auryxx essentially power wolfed and condemned a PR in a state where you needed every single active person in order to finalize a lim. scum!auryxx can do whatever they want. they crumbled and claimed PR so they're ovcoiusly not intending on deepwolfing, meaning that credibility is not their focus: netting condemns is I could see a few reasons for pivoting off of town!koba. despite what I said earlier, auryxx could easily just be thinking in their head that "condemning koba wont make sense when town looks at what i said about them a couple days back" miseliming a strong town is harder than miseliming basicslly limbait you say that they couldnt have possibly read ez as pr, i think that's reasonable. what i think is more likely is that auryxx pinned koba as a VT, and by POE ez was far more likely to be a power role out of all of the people who couldnt defend themselves because they were gone.
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Post by cape90 on Aug 22, 2021 21:05:01 GMT
Okay Nate riddle me this.
If xCyclone and Auryxx are BOTH mafia, does that mean that gunsmith is the only town investigative?
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Post by cowsloveSushirolls on Aug 22, 2021 21:06:20 GMT
im psychologist
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Post by hockeyfan on Aug 22, 2021 21:06:45 GMT
pretender's case was objectively bad because it was full of lies that take seconds to fact check is it a scum thing? possibly. i'm assuming good faith and that they just form their reads a certain way that i'm not familiar with you feel different. usually by unlucky circumstances you wind up paired to scum when rereading a game but your interactions earlygame feel so off. it's not really something that can be helped so i'll keep reading onThis might come off kinda shitty but if Auryxx/Nate let Pretender make that case and didn't object then idek what to say lmao, I mean I just highly doubt that something that insane is coming out of mafia's mouth unless he's just in full panic mode Hockey is in the stage of "ok we lost but I can't actually full quit because then it looks bad" I dont see why they wouldnt...? Like Pretender's case on Koba actually made him look less alligned with Auryxx because Auryxx was tring Koba. Also only 1 person mentioned how "bad" pretedners case was on koba(cows, and he didnt actually push it much), so he easilly got away with typing it. Like yea, I think that case does have some scum motivation. Also cowsloveSushirolls, can you elarobate on bolded. Regarding the Auryxx,Nate,Cyclone thing thats happening rn, who cares about voting Auryxx/cyclone prs claim. We can just test cyclone's pr claim yeah?
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Post by xCyclone on Aug 22, 2021 21:10:10 GMT
This might come off kinda shitty but if Auryxx/Nate let Pretender make that case and didn't object then idek what to say lmao, I mean I just highly doubt that something that insane is coming out of mafia's mouth unless he's just in full panic mode Hockey is in the stage of "ok we lost but I can't actually full quit because then it looks bad" I dont see why they wouldnt...? Like Pretender's case on Koba actually made him look less alligned with Auryxx because Auryxx was tring Koba. Also only 1 person mentioned how "bad" pretedners case was on koba(cows, and he didnt actually push it much), so he easilly got away with typing it. Like yea, I think that case does have some scum motivation. Also cowsloveSushirolls , can you elarobate on bolded. Regarding the Auryxx,Nate,Cyclone thing thats happening rn, who cares about voting Auryxx/cyclone prs claim. We can just test cyclone's pr claim yeah? mfw auryxx is mafpr and nate is just a goon
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Post by meteornate on Aug 22, 2021 21:11:16 GMT
Okay Nate riddle me this. If xCyclone and Auryxx are BOTH mafia, does that mean that gunsmith is the only town investigative? Quite possibly, yes? Ungated gunsmith is a very strong investigative.
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Post by cowsloveSushirolls on Aug 22, 2021 21:12:34 GMT
"Also cowsloveSushirolls, can you elarobate on bolded." on mobile, can't quick quote easily
back in the newbie game we played in MS, VFP replaced out and petapan took their place, who extensively cased you based on your interactions with T3. however, you were town this is strikingly similar, but the main difference is that you seem a lot more "involved" with auryxx in the early game. pushing this seems almost unfair, so i'm trying to keep reading on
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Post by The_Pretender on Aug 22, 2021 21:19:53 GMT
Okay Nate riddle me this. If xCyclone and Auryxx are BOTH mafia, does that mean that gunsmith is the only town investigative? Quite possibly, yes? Ungated gunsmith is a very strong investigative. so vote auryxx I’m tired of dragging this out, today is a boring day IMO, I’ll have more fun tomorrow
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Post by xCyclone on Aug 22, 2021 21:25:20 GMT
Quite possibly, yes? Ungated gunsmith is a very strong investigative. so vote auryxx I’m tired of dragging this out, today is a boring day IMO, I’ll have more fun tomorrow hi yes i am going to die so i like talking thank u In all seriousness the only reason I'm not quickhammering either one of them is because I need to KNOW you guys are going to continue on my route after I die. Obviously Nate will die, but I need to know that Hockey is going to domino soon after.
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Post by cape90 on Aug 22, 2021 21:29:47 GMT
1. "Well Cape is null and voting me ergo mafia"? No. Even if it was right, it's not going to get past the actual problem of that EoD, which is that there is no consensus."You called me town, this is what I do not understand you never switched up your read on me until I voted you. Essentially you just omgused me and put me in your POE at the end of the day. Not to mention, you did think Cyclone was town and he was doing the same thing as I was.
2. How are we "losing" if you don't make a call, you practically helped mafia during the EOD of day 1. Your not a ""town vigilante""" sorry to burst your bubble.
3. Don't know what you are doubting, I am telling the truth. And since Moldy flipped blue, why are you making the argument that it was unnatural? (Cape I am going to stop you there for a second, Nate probably means, at the time, Nate thought Moldy's rage was unnatural) (Fair if this is the case, like I disagree, but that is because I have seen too many town pull that sort of thing).
4. You worded it as I was scummy because I was not there during the EOD on multiple occasions and never made that at all clear until now. Bro what is the whole passing the Buck thing? You literally recognize I was sussing you BEFORE the flip right? Yes my reads do change, at least I sort of gave a reason day 1, you did not.
5. Game probably went better for you.
6. You know that, like, my initial post was written at night correct? "I think he's full of it and just wants to hard-steer the game"... You think? I mean, you absolutely know that his claim is fake here. "Individually, you created no emergency. However, when you and 5 others are missing, it is absolutely an emergency. One which you had a hand in creating." - Nate Nate on one finger: Cape is scum for not being there at the EOD. Nate on the other finger: Cape is not scum for being there at the EOD. Also like, you may have not been like, the root cause for the kill on Clapster. But you certainly helped in having him die
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Post by xCyclone on Aug 22, 2021 21:47:30 GMT
Progression is as follows, at least for what I saw when I showed up
Auryxx claims PR -> Auryxx pushes Ez at EOD -> Several votes on Ez, I didn't want him to die, I vote Nate -> Nate stops pillow pushing Hockey and talks about how we need a clear consensus vote -> Auryxx tells me that I have to vote Ez -> Nate stops mentioning Hockey, and doesn't show any reluctance, plus some prn acting thrown in the mix -> Hammer, Ez dies, Moldy gets modkilled anyways
Enter n1, I'm reading through EOD and going "holy fuck Nate is scum with Hockey and Auryxx" -> I check him, as a sided on him pretty much confirms this entire scumteam
Enter d2, I get the red check back and out it almost immediately -> Auryxx comes back and basically just openwolfs, accepting that he is going to die -> Nate comes back -> pushes CAPE of all people -> throws shade at Auryxx, doesn't actually comment on whether or not my claim is scummy -> I point out his reluctance to SR Auryxx -> Nate scumreads Auryxx and calls me VT in rapid succession
Pretender gets heavily thrown into the mix there but the only thing I didn't really include was Hockey semi-openwolfing because I couldn't remember where it fit on the timeline. This all completely checks out and if you don't think these progressions are incredibly telling I don't know what to tell you.
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Post by cape90 on Aug 22, 2021 22:07:19 GMT
Alright Nate, if you are town, why are me and Cyclone scumpaired? Why would I hard pocket and hard protect my mafia partner. Why would I need to create an elaborate scumcase as scum ALONG with xCyclones' aforementioned "fake" cop claim?
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Post by cape90 on Aug 22, 2021 22:12:44 GMT
Okay I'm going to make the world's simplest sorting tool: People I won't vote on today: Cyclone Ez DK Auryxx People I would vote on today: Cape Cows Pretender Scotland Hockey Moldy Thought Doj From that list: Cape -> Me Cows -> Hockey Pretender -> DK (???) Scot ??? Hockey ??? Moldy -> Hockey(?) Thought -> DK Doj ???
Also in this post, maybe I am confused. Was the bolded not some sort of POE thing or who one another was voting at the time? I interpeted it as "from this list, if you kill cape who is in my POE and he flips town, THEN (the then meanting the arrow) you get me". But it looks like you are perhaps just talking about who is voting who here? My vote never counted, I didn't know that at the time
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Post by cape90 on Aug 22, 2021 22:15:04 GMT
Quite possibly, yes? Ungated gunsmith is a very strong investigative. so vote auryxx I’m tired of dragging this out, today is a boring day IMO, I’ll have more fun tomorrow i am, i swapped my vote
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Post by xCyclone on Aug 22, 2021 22:16:50 GMT
Vote: Auryxx
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